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What an absolute clusterf*ck. Lloyd goes into this thinking a third party would set all these puritanical exJWs straight about sex workers and how he doesn’t owe an apology. Instead he gets:
You can’t make this shit up.
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The hypocrisy from somebody so ready to call out others for their indecent behaviour is startling, and quite typical of cult behaviour. - Andrew Gold
Now this hits him right where it counts and is the perfect rebuttal for Lloyd's "All I've admitted to was being a flawed individual" psycho-babble.
My take is Andrew had him on his channel awhile back and fell for his smooth talking and level of intelligence on JW matters. Andrew's first sense something wasn't right about Lloyd was when he disagreed with Steven Knight and started tweeting at Ricky Gervais to shame him. This was the second time he brought this incident up and it clearly informs him now about the character of Lloyd. Andrew felt used by Lloyd in this latest round because it was assumed to be a friendly interview and he continually talked over and deflected when the questions were asked.
Being well informed and spoken about JW matters and WT history isn't really intelligence. You can meet fairly stupid and ignorant people who know everything there is to know about a certain football team. It doesn't make them intelligent. This is where people misjudge Lloyd, because as we have seen he is nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is.
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Sorry for another video, but this guy really nails it both in his impression and how LE thinks.
Now THIS is the video you don't want to see. exjw LloydGate - YouTube
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He also apparently fell out with Stephen Knight because Knight didn’t agree with him over the statue-pulling-down issue, then tried to alienate Knight from Michael Shermer over it.
And Lloyd's response was to tag Ricky Gervais on Twitter and try to shame Steven, a real-life friend of Ricky's.
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You've got to be kidding me! He actually wrote that? C'mon Paul.
Diogenesister: The thread is here:
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/4860774662012928/lloyds-new-book
From Paul on this thread:
Lloyd is earning far less from his JW activism than he could working full time in his business as a translator.
Now that was 4 years ago (2017-2018) but either Paul had no clue what Lloyd was pulling in or thought the JLE Translation Service running out of the attic was pulling in 4-5K a month for his earnings from activism to be considered "far less". Or he could have been just lying which is what we're finding more and more of with Evans and his associates. I would be curious to know what Kim Silvio thinks of this assertation since she has made comments and videos about what Lloyd is earning and probably could give a reasonable estimate on what he was making in 2017-2018 or the period round the time when his second book was released.
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Regarding Tibor's compensation, he mentioned having a college email we could reach him at and with that in mind, I tend to think he's paid like an intern. The real issue is this: It was one of his earlier Patreon goals that he promised to hire someone on a fulltime basis to assist with the production once he hit his 530 Patron goal. So he used that promise as a means to drive his pledges up, paid Tibor as little as he could get away with and pocketed the rest.
I'm sure if his Patrons continue to drop, at some point he'll pull a Stephen Lett and threaten to let Tibor go because he can't afford him anymore when in reality he can well afford what he's paying him even at 100 Patrons.
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Lloyd is now banging on about “people obsessing with his past” on Twitter
He knows most of the crazier shit he has pulled is on this forum. Perhaps this is the main reason Simon has not been added to the litigation. Imagine a lawyer reading through all these threads and slowly realising the real cyber-bully has been his client all along.
Maybe if Paul Grundy asked for it to be removed then it would come down.
I wouldn't hold my breath. He didn't say anything when jwfacts was printed on the back of a pirated copy of Crisis of Conscience and that directly involved him. At the least you would have thought he'd have released a neutral statement that he didn't ask for his website to be on the back and request that it is removed. He has also made some comments on here I believe about writing the forward for Lloyd's second book that were suspect. He claimed that Lloyd could be earning a lot more in the secular world but cared so much about the exJW cause he was essentially taking a pay cut.
Oh really Paul? What job is out there either in Croatia or that allows you to work remotely that pays over $130,000 USD for a two year art/design school grad whose main experience outside exJW activism is landscaping, window washing, document review and proofreading his wife's translations?
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I would say I know about 25% of the damage and it 100% motivates me to endure no more damage is done. It’s horrible and I just hope that as a community we can all stand strong and say no more
This is a mistake that shouldn't be repeated. I know it's tiresome and by all means, take a break from it when it is getting to you, but the pressure must be kept up on this man. In the past when he fucked up he attacked all those who stood up and his "pro-Lloyders" as he is calling them now made sure that whenever these same people said anything on social media or made videos even if it wasn't about Lloyd, they'd be mercilessly trolled. By the time the next batch of JWs exited, they went straight to Lloyd thinking he was a great guy and these other people who said things about him were the apostates the WT warned them about.
The game has changed and this guy has been exposed. Now it's his turn to get shouted down, and the next time he comes to your town, attend and ask him the hard questions. Talk over him like all reporters do when they know an interview subject is lying to has something to hide. Especially when he starts talking about CSA or other related abuse.
I've never seen a man so shamed and by a neutral civilian no less on Thursday and Friday with those three videos. And what started by being a Lloyd puff piece by Andrew Gold got completely turned on its side because of YOU. Everyone in the live chat demanded accountability and as Andrew Gold has stated, that made the ultimate difference.
It's working.
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He threatened to remove his patronage from him which was all of 1.50pounds a month, he has since done so.
In his mind it's losing the "prestige" of having Lloyd Evans as a Patron that is the real punishment for Andrew Gold.
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His sister won’t have anything to do with him and it’s nothing JW related. Does anyone else remember the video he made about her doing a sponsored run then he took it down because she didn’t want his support.
In his book, it was hinted that they had a distant relationship. It had much to do with their mum and how Lloyd felt he was her intellectual equivalent and true bearer of her legacy. He dedicated the book to mum and bestowed her name upon his second born as a middle name. Lloyd's telling of the events surrounding her death gave a few details:
Lloyd was the first she called from hospital when she got her terminal cancer diagnosis. After he had time to process the information, he called his sister who was in field service at the time. He met her and she demanded to know on the spot. He resisted but she kept pressing so he revealed it to her in a car park. Naturally she became upset and hysterical as Lloyd described it. He made it seem like he was the only "adult in the room" as his sister was in complete panic mode and his dad was waxing on about seeing mum in paradise. He complained of having to drive as she sobbed uncontrollably in the back seat on the way to hospital and offered little support to his sister.
At the funeral Lloyd seemed to take centre stage as the others were grieving. He brought his acoustic guitar and performed "Life Without End At Last". From that point on he continually described his sister as having emotional problems but really lit into his dad. He labelled him as a chronically unemployed simpleton who had no business being with his mother.
During the time before his disassociation, his dad actually seemed to take a moderate stance (JW-wise) towards his apostasy. Lloyd had earlier admitted he was going inactive due to questions about the doctrine and his dad flew to Croatia to see him. He knew about the website and made it clear he disapproved but would shun him if Lloyd took action to disassociate. Nothing was ever mentioned about his sister and her reaction to his DA and one is left to speculate they fell out sometime before this.
